宋神宗沉吟许久，道：“王介甫素与卿交好，你又何必自我怀疑？”（王安石，字介甫）
司马光神色忧伤道：“臣素与介甫交好，但自从他执政以来，我抵触他的次数甚多。抵触王介甫者如苏子瞻之辈皆毀其清白的处世之道，以危法中伤。臣不怕被罢黜，只想保全我心中的那一方净土。臣就算与介甫关系好，能比得上吕晦叔吗？王介甫当初如何举荐吕晦叔，随后又如何毀之，同样一个人为何之前说他对而后又说他不对？必有不信者矣。”（吕公著，字晦叔）
宋神宗道：“王介甫与吕晦叔如胶似漆，但当吕晦叔有罪，王介甫却不敢隐瞒，这是他处世公正。”说完见司马光低头不回应，转移话题道：“青苗法不也已经有了显著效果。”
一提到青苗法，司马光气不打一出来，直言道：“青苗法之事全天下都认为此法不对，唯独介甫觉得是对的。”
宋神宗本想转移话题，但听司马光此话之意只怕再说下去又要争论起青苗法的是非，于是将话题转移到苏轼身上，对其说道：“苏子瞻不是好人，卿不了解他。鲜子骏人在远地，苏子瞻以奏稿传之。还有，当年苏子瞻父亲去世，韩公赠银三百两而不受，却贩卖盐及苏木、瓷器。”（鲜于侁，字子骏；韩公，指当年身为宰相的韩琦）
司马光一听宋神宗如此诋毁苏轼，质问道：“但凡责备人必当先考察其真实情况。苏子瞻贩卖这点东西的获利，能多得过韩公所赠送的钱财吗？王介甫素来讨厌子瞻，官家岂能不知？不过是将亲家谢师直作为他的鹰犬，使其攻击子瞻罢了。如今朝廷这种局面，臣不能自保，不可不去也。”他见宋神宗若有所思，继续道，“退一万步，就算子瞻不是好人，能差得过不服母丧的李资深吗？此人禽兽不如，介甫竟然喜欢他，还要任用他做台官！”（李定，字资深；谢景温，字师直）
宋神宗见司马光越说情绪越激动，只得让其暂且退下，至于对方提出的知许州或西京留司御史台、国子监的请求容后再议。
几日后。
宋神宗单独召见了王安石，对其说道：“司马君实甚为怨恨卿啊！”（司马光，字君实）
王安石震惊道：“为什么？”
宋神宗道：“君实前几日上殿乞求离开京师，说谢师直弹劾苏子瞻，必然涉及卿。苏子瞻为人刚正，谢师直全是卿的羽翼。”
王安石呵呵一笑，不以为意，道：“臣经常称赞谢师直为人正直，当时韩公身为宰相，名仕皆曲意逢迎，结交韩公妻弟崔公孺。韩公见名仕皆为崔公孺传扬美名，便说崔公孺怀有让人信服的学识，而士大夫因此凭借崔公孺进取，唯独师直不肯对崔公孺稍作屈服，臣以此称赞他。”
宋神宗一向敬重曾为三朝宰相的韩琦，不愿谈论有关他的是非，遂转移话题道：“你觉得吴冲卿可担任两府之职吗？”（吴充，字冲卿；两府是指中书省和枢密院）
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